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. >>> president obama will travel to boston on thursday. >>> we have the remains of a pressure cooker, a shredded black backpack and some kind of ball bearings or metal pellets. what can we read into this at this stage? >> you are looking at what they have in this investigation, which is the bombs themselves. apparently two very similar if not twin bombs placed in black nylon bags that they are recreating as much as they can. at quantico. the fbi lab. it is hal, who did this and why that they really do not have any leads on. you are looking at forensic evidence, it will be very important when they catch this person. but in terms of trying to find that person, i think it will be more difficult as they recreate the bombs. they will have to figure out where some of this material may have come from. perhaps this will spark a tip from somebody who knows about somebody was working with pressure cookers or maybe has just put trust them. but right now, it all seems to be centered around the forensics and putting this all back together, these bonds back together and try to figure out just how
. >>> president obama will travel to boston on thursday. >>> we have the remains of a pressure cooker, a shredded black backpack and some kind of ball bearings or metal pellets. what can we read into this at this stage? >> you are looking at what they have in this investigation, which is the bombs themselves. apparently two very similar if not twin bombs placed in black nylon bags that they are recreating as much as they can. at quantico. the fbi lab. it is hal, who did...
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particularly in the light of obama's recent visit, these are interesting times. significant changes for the first time in 50 years. >> yes. one thing that's quite significant. you take a look around, all kinds of people, all age groups. a couple years ago, people would be talking about politics, you -- nowadays, it's more outspoken. the government is more open. they also are relaxing the rules about censorship. august 20th, we were called into the office, many publishers and editors, and the boss, okay, 40 years and 20 days of censorship is gone. that's it. >> feel good? >> yeah. that's what we've been waiting for for so many years. >> i love the answer. it's a careful yes. >> yes. people in the country, we have some doubt, is it real? the changes? the reforms? but now it's a couple years. people start to believe, okay, maybe it's real. the process is still very young, but it's still possible. when the generals stop and say, okay, now let's turn back or let's stop. i'm optimistic about the changes, but, it's a course. >> in yangon, motor bikes are outlawed. why i
particularly in the light of obama's recent visit, these are interesting times. significant changes for the first time in 50 years. >> yes. one thing that's quite significant. you take a look around, all kinds of people, all age groups. a couple years ago, people would be talking about politics, you -- nowadays, it's more outspoken. the government is more open. they also are relaxing the rules about censorship. august 20th, we were called into the office, many publishers and editors, and...
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. >>> a major twist in the case of ricin poison letter sent to president obama. charges were dropped today after a u.s. attorney announced new information has been uncovered. authorities are trying to determine if the real suspect was set up. joining me now on the phone is kevin curtis. thank you for joining me. a quite extraordinary twist today. you have gone from being the man alleged to try to poison the president of the united states to a completely innocent man in a couple of days. how do you feel about this? >> i'm overwhelmed. im extremely happy to be vindicated and out and able to see my kids. i haven't seen them yet. i've been staring at four walls for days'slat laisolated. >> you were sitting there for seven days, as you say, staring at four walls in custody. had you been convicted of this crime you probably would have never came out of there. how do you feel? what were you think? >> you just said it. i kept thinking, this is serious. it took 24 hours for me to be educateded and informed on the actual charge. i heard the word ricin for the first time in
. >>> a major twist in the case of ricin poison letter sent to president obama. charges were dropped today after a u.s. attorney announced new information has been uncovered. authorities are trying to determine if the real suspect was set up. joining me now on the phone is kevin curtis. thank you for joining me. a quite extraordinary twist today. you have gone from being the man alleged to try to poison the president of the united states to a completely innocent man in a couple of...
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. >> president barack obama marked the moment with a moment of reflection in the oval office. here our alicia sylvester explores the moment of science and the unity seen in the city of boston. >> reporter: sometimes grief has no words. 2:50 p.m., exactly one week on the massachusetts state house steps. to the new york stock exchange, to the senate floor in washington. on ordinary streets, to the marathon route where instead of cheers and smiles of a runner crossing the finish line, there is silence. to the flowers and flags, the signs of "boston strong," to the spot where last week two bombs took three lives. to a place where the quiet says more than words can ever say. for one long minute, the country is silent and remembers and begins to heal. and when the moment is over, there is this. ♪ god bless america [ applause ] >> lisa sylvester, cnn. >>> the city of boston united there and the people of boston also took another step toward healing on monday. [ bagpipes ]. >> this was the ceremony at the site of the deadly bombings on boylston street. federal authorities turning th
. >> president barack obama marked the moment with a moment of reflection in the oval office. here our alicia sylvester explores the moment of science and the unity seen in the city of boston. >> reporter: sometimes grief has no words. 2:50 p.m., exactly one week on the massachusetts state house steps. to the new york stock exchange, to the senate floor in washington. on ordinary streets, to the marathon route where instead of cheers and smiles of a runner crossing the finish line,...
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president obama will also observe a moment of silence. and bells will ring to mark the moment when the bombs first went off. the surviving suspect lying in the hospital dead right now handcuffed under 24 hour guard. even though he is still in serious condition as we said investigators are questioning him every few hours with the doctors in the room with them. we are getting new information about this suspect and how the investigation is done. deborah feyerick joining us in new york. don lemon is outside beth israel hospital in boston. deb, start with you, what are you learning? >> well, anderson, we can tell you that investigators and doctors are staying close by the alleged suspect. he is on a ventilator, he is heavily sedated and also restrained. one of the reasons is because they don't want him when he does wake up, when he is sort of -- when he does wake up, they don't want him to rip the ventilator out of his mouth. they're really trying to keep him as calm and as stable as they possibly can. they don't want any additional stress to
president obama will also observe a moment of silence. and bells will ring to mark the moment when the bombs first went off. the surviving suspect lying in the hospital dead right now handcuffed under 24 hour guard. even though he is still in serious condition as we said investigators are questioning him every few hours with the doctors in the room with them. we are getting new information about this suspect and how the investigation is done. deborah feyerick joining us in new york. don lemon...
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president obama made comments about eight hours ago. you'll find reviews list, written by people just like you. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. u >> now for another perspective on monday's attack. this comes from a broadcast journalism student at the marathon who was filming everything. did i meet you when i was there? >> i actually missed your meeting that you had. i had a class that i had to go to. >> approximate you don't know it's parallel to where the finish line is and where the bomb actually exploded. i was -- i'm doing a package for one of my classes and i was shooting b roll when i heard the explosions. and then suddenly i saw the police barricade the road where the runners are running. at that point i knew something was obviously going on. i couldn't get very far. >> how were the police dealing with the situation. what was your take? >> well, i thought for the most part they did a very good job. obviously in a situation like this it's t
president obama made comments about eight hours ago. you'll find reviews list, written by people just like you. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. u >> now for another perspective on monday's attack. this comes from a broadcast journalism student at the marathon who was filming everything. did i meet you when i was there? >> i actually missed your meeting that you had. i had a class that i had...
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are working around the clock to try to determine who sent ricin-laced letters to president obama and other officials just one day after charges were dropped against the suspect that was in custody. the former suspect, paul curtis, spoke exclusively with our chris cuomo just a little while ago. >> is there any connection between you and what was done with these ricin letters? any at all? >> none whatsoever, sir. >> in your understanding, christie mccoy, are investigators completely free of your client as someone who's implicated in this situation? because they have not given clear word. what is your understanding? >> that is absolutely my understanding, chris. we are, in fact, i spoke with someone this morning involved in the investigation with the prosecutors, and i actually had made arrangements, i haven't had a chance to speak with kevin about it yet, that we're actually ready to assist them in as far as what we know, what kevin knows, if there's anything that absolutely, even though they may not have publicly said that, i think that they realize what we have known all along, is th
are working around the clock to try to determine who sent ricin-laced letters to president obama and other officials just one day after charges were dropped against the suspect that was in custody. the former suspect, paul curtis, spoke exclusively with our chris cuomo just a little while ago. >> is there any connection between you and what was done with these ricin letters? any at all? >> none whatsoever, sir. >> in your understanding, christie mccoy, are investigators...
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i've heard people say, hey, listen, the obama administration -- it didn't start with the obama administration, other administrations are too afraid to profile people especially people who go back and for the between countries, people who may be muslim. do you agree with that? >> no, i don't agree with that particular criticism. in particular because we're going to rely on immigrant communities, americans who are of the muslim faith and others to help provide information about people who are dangerous. they are our eyes and ears an we need their support. if we engage in aggressive policies that alienate that possibility -- >> lou, i'll give you the final word. >> i think one people that people have to start to consider, is if in fact we have enough resources in all of our law enforcement agencies to meet the call at times. the thing that i find curious is that in if fact the fbi interviewed them and did find something irregular in their travels or their backgrounds or their associations, if anyone is suggesting that we start to set up surveillance teams on individuals -- because i listened to
i've heard people say, hey, listen, the obama administration -- it didn't start with the obama administration, other administrations are too afraid to profile people especially people who go back and for the between countries, people who may be muslim. do you agree with that? >> no, i don't agree with that particular criticism. in particular because we're going to rely on immigrant communities, americans who are of the muslim faith and others to help provide information about people who...
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as far as the policy of the united states, you got to take it up with obama. >> if you start to torture an american citizen for committing a domestic crime in america, you are crossing the rubicon. >> can i ask you a question? what would you do if you were given the opportunity? if osama bin laden, if you had 30 minutes in the room, would you play cards with osama bin laden? >> let me put this to you. >> no. you answer this. if you met this scumbag -- >> i'm doing the interview. >> if you met these scumbag before he killed these people and turned people into amputees, what would you do, play cards? maybe i should say it in a british accent. this man killed innocent men, women and children. >> can you stop being such a jerk? >> what would you do? you get paid for it. i would give you a taste of your own medicine. >> you tweeted this to the world. i'm curious what you think. your behavior so far has been really offensive. >> because you don't like it when you don't have another bobblehead you can beat up and treat like a coward? the reality is these men killed innocent men, women and chil
as far as the policy of the united states, you got to take it up with obama. >> if you start to torture an american citizen for committing a domestic crime in america, you are crossing the rubicon. >> can i ask you a question? what would you do if you were given the opportunity? if osama bin laden, if you had 30 minutes in the room, would you play cards with osama bin laden? >> let me put this to you. >> no. you answer this. if you met this scumbag -- >> i'm doing...
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i respect president obama. i love my country. and would never do anything to pose a threat to him or any other u.s. official. this past week has been a nightmare for myself and my family. my mother has suffered. as well as my children. i would like to get back to normal, which for me means being the best father that i can be to my children, supporting my favorite charity save a life foundation and entertaining through my music. thank you. >> paul kevin curtis, released from custody, charges dropped. there's still plenty of stuff we don't know about what happened. dan lothian, our white house correspondent, is standing by. dan, we do know that ricin-laced letters were spent to the president, to roger wicker, the republican senator from mississippi. potentially very deadly letters. where does this investigation go from now on? >> you know, that is a very good question, because from the very beginning, paul curtis and his attorneys had said he was innocent. they said there was a lot of information out there in social media that some
i respect president obama. i love my country. and would never do anything to pose a threat to him or any other u.s. official. this past week has been a nightmare for myself and my family. my mother has suffered. as well as my children. i would like to get back to normal, which for me means being the best father that i can be to my children, supporting my favorite charity save a life foundation and entertaining through my music. thank you. >> paul kevin curtis, released from custody,...
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. >> i strongly disagree with the obama's administration decision to rule out enemy combatant suspect. >> reporter: labeling him as an enemy combatant would allow the government to question him without an attorney president and maybe get some of those answers. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> thanks, barbara. most of us can't even begin to imagine the incredibly tense moments that led up to the arrest of dzhokhar cztsarnaev. but that's what they are trained to do. the s.w.a.t team that took tsarnaev into custody describes the final moments to anderson cooper. let's listen. >> let's do it. let's do what we're trained to do. this is the suspect. we're trained to go in and apprehend him. you can see one hand is clear of any weapons each time he went the other way, his hand went down inside the boat out of our view. i know everybody here we've spoken about it. each time he did that, we had to assume he was reaching for either a weapon, a firearm or some explosive ignition device to kind of draw us in and take us out in a suicide type manner. he did that a couple of times as we're stil
. >> i strongly disagree with the obama's administration decision to rule out enemy combatant suspect. >> reporter: labeling him as an enemy combatant would allow the government to question him without an attorney president and maybe get some of those answers. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> thanks, barbara. most of us can't even begin to imagine the incredibly tense moments that led up to the arrest of dzhokhar cztsarnaev. but that's what they are trained to do. the...
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the fbi, they're back on the hunt for whoever mailed poisonous letters here to president obama, to a u.s. senator and a judge. so they have just searched this home and a former studio of a martial arts instructor in tupelo, mississippi. we're going to go live to tupelo for more on that in a moment. but first, we have new information from this elvis impersonator who had been arrested and charged with sending those ricin-laced letters. he was all of a sudden set free yesterday. yep. no longer a suspect, charges dropped. his name is kevin curtis. and i want you to watch what he told chris cuomo in his exclusive interview last hour. >> when they came to me and i was arrested, it came super fast like a scene out of a movie. they didn't explain anything. they just kept saying you know what you've done. and don't move, don't resist and i mean, i just had to set my coat down. they allowed me to do that. you're talking about homeland security, secret service, fbi, so many vehicles in my neighborhood. i've never seen anything like it. i was in a state of shock, the best way to explain it. and
the fbi, they're back on the hunt for whoever mailed poisonous letters here to president obama, to a u.s. senator and a judge. so they have just searched this home and a former studio of a martial arts instructor in tupelo, mississippi. we're going to go live to tupelo for more on that in a moment. but first, we have new information from this elvis impersonator who had been arrested and charged with sending those ricin-laced letters. he was all of a sudden set free yesterday. yep. no longer a...
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it on the floor, you know, saying there were these two explosions at the white house, that president obama was hurt, immediately this happened a little after 1:00. i don't know if you can see this, we printed out this chart, you can see what happened here, just around 1:15 when the tweet went out, the market fell, the market fell over 100 points, 133 points to be exact. dipped into the negative. that happened within seconds. within seconds that drop happened. and then ap sent out another tweet saying that they were hacked, and then you saw the market immediately shoot back up. it was a total 180, the market went from negative all the way to positive, over 100 points again within minutes. very dramatic whiplash kind of move. shows you in the age of computerized trading how wall street can react to a tweet that is read around the web. >> boy, oh, boy, alison, such a look at how in the digital age everything moves so quickly. you have to be right about your information. thank you for telling us that. appreciate it. >>> back to boston now, where a short time ago doctors upgraded the surviving
it on the floor, you know, saying there were these two explosions at the white house, that president obama was hurt, immediately this happened a little after 1:00. i don't know if you can see this, we printed out this chart, you can see what happened here, just around 1:15 when the tweet went out, the market fell, the market fell over 100 points, 133 points to be exact. dipped into the negative. that happened within seconds. within seconds that drop happened. and then ap sent out another tweet...
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the senators then told obama, if you're going to wash our cars, why do we need immigrant? >>> and on saturday, conan o'brien headlines the annual white house correspondents dinner in washington. >>> and that's the week ahead. >>> i'm fredricka whitfield. on behalf of my colleague wolf blitzer and myself, of course, thanks for watching this afternoon. don lemon picks up live coverage from boston. don, ind you'll be talking to city police commissioner as well. right? >> that's right. police commissioner ed davis will be with me in just a moment here. first though i want to get you updated on what we have. i'm done lemon coming to you live from boston as we continue with cnn's coverage of the boston marathon bombings investigation. >>> the seoul surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev will not face criminal charges until tomorrow at the earliest. >>> we learned moments ago no charges will be filed at least today. a justice department official tells cnn tsarnaev is going to face federal terrorism charges and possibly state murder charges. even though massachusetts doesn't have th
the senators then told obama, if you're going to wash our cars, why do we need immigrant? >>> and on saturday, conan o'brien headlines the annual white house correspondents dinner in washington. >>> and that's the week ahead. >>> i'm fredricka whitfield. on behalf of my colleague wolf blitzer and myself, of course, thanks for watching this afternoon. don lemon picks up live coverage from boston. don, ind you'll be talking to city police commissioner as well. right?...
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senator lindsey graham and senator talked about obama not try him as an enemy combatants. it was said to see him go, he was a fine figure and a state senator, isn't it? >> al a high state legislature is much more sophisticated than we saw here today. >> let's talk about lindsey graham. sang the government should have left dzhokhar tsarnaev as an enemy combat and, at least on the table as a possibility. >> it is not permissible under the law. you cannot treat an american citizen who is accused of committing an american crime against mostly american citizens in boston as an enemy combatants. it would turn our country -- >> it has never happened before. >> into martial law. the supreme court struck that down and american citizens were charged with crimes and this fellow is being charged with an ordinary crime that anybody could be charged with the team made a bomb to kill his mother-in-law. it does not require any allegation of terrorism. the idea we can deny and trial by jury, speedy trial, all of the things in the constitution and the bill of rights provides would turn our
senator lindsey graham and senator talked about obama not try him as an enemy combatants. it was said to see him go, he was a fine figure and a state senator, isn't it? >> al a high state legislature is much more sophisticated than we saw here today. >> let's talk about lindsey graham. sang the government should have left dzhokhar tsarnaev as an enemy combat and, at least on the table as a possibility. >> it is not permissible under the law. you cannot treat an american...
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president obama didn't use the word terrorism. became a little bit of a political football. but bottom line, forget aut left versus right what are the practicalities about what language you use and how it may hierr hp going forward? >> what the president did not want to do is panic people before information was in. e thet"ord, terrorism.ot t but he also doesn't want to give a future defense attorney the ability to say, oh, well there wasn't a political motive with this guy. he was just some random -- >> political motive key to a finding of terrorism. >> so it's a nonstory. ion't know why people are raising it. everyone knows this was an act hod drop that. there's no brownie points to be gained at this stage. let's let the investigators figure out who d ts and the response and life goes on. ryil issue.to me just to be >> don't handcuff yourself before you know what you're dealing with. >> exactly. we have no idea right now. >> all right, julia, thank you very much. >> up next we're going to take a look at the evidence left behind. so much to pore through right now. forensic t
president obama didn't use the word terrorism. became a little bit of a political football. but bottom line, forget aut left versus right what are the practicalities about what language you use and how it may hierr hp going forward? >> what the president did not want to do is panic people before information was in. e thet"ord, terrorism.ot t but he also doesn't want to give a future defense attorney the ability to say, oh, well there wasn't a political motive with this guy. he was...
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will the obama administration seek the death penalty. we'll discuss why the answer could spell political trouble for the white house one way or the other. [ dog ] you know, i just don't think i should have to wait for it! who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, we won't make you wait for it. our efficient, online system allows us to get you through your home loan process fast. which means you'll never have to beg for a quick closing. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. bonkers, look at me when i'm talking to you. >>> welcome back. i am wolf blitzer in boston. while the terror attacks here in boston certainly dominated the national conversation this week, there were some significant political stories unfolding in washington as well. let's bring in our chief political analyst, gloria borger. you have a terrific panel there. >> i do. >> take it away. update viewers on what's going on. >> thanks, wolf, thanks for all your hard work in boston this week, we really appreciate it. we do not even know the motive
will the obama administration seek the death penalty. we'll discuss why the answer could spell political trouble for the white house one way or the other. [ dog ] you know, i just don't think i should have to wait for it! who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, we won't make you wait for it. our efficient, online system allows us to get you through your home loan process fast. which means you'll never have to beg for a quick closing. one more way quicken loans is engineered...
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on thursday the obamas head to baylor university in waco, texas. services will be there for victims of that massive fertilizer plant explosion in the nearby town of west, texas. 14 people were killed. the first couple attended services last week for boston bombing victims. >>> the flight delays you were so worried about that we warned you about, they're happening. up to 90 minutes. and even longer if the weather is bad. thousands of air traffic controllers are getting furloughed because of forced budget cuts in washington. passengers are feeling it. >> well we had to wait 30 minutes because there was a backlog for departure. but they didn't really say anything else. they just said because of that it's now delays. how many planes can take off at what time. so, maybe i guess it's going to have the impact. >> "the new york times" says us airways, jetblue and delta canceled some flights because of those forced spending cuts. "minding your business" this morning stock futures have turned positive thanks to optimism about the tech sector. dow futures are
on thursday the obamas head to baylor university in waco, texas. services will be there for victims of that massive fertilizer plant explosion in the nearby town of west, texas. 14 people were killed. the first couple attended services last week for boston bombing victims. >>> the flight delays you were so worried about that we warned you about, they're happening. up to 90 minutes. and even longer if the weather is bad. thousands of air traffic controllers are getting furloughed...
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it's a huge victory for the nra and the bitter defeat for president obama. today angry, lashed out at lawmakers. >> i've heard some say that blocking this step would be a victory. my question is, a victory for who? a victory for what? all that happened today was the preservation of the loophole that let's dangerous criminals buy guns without a background check. that didn't make our kids safer. victory for not doing something that 90% of americans, 80% of republicans, the vast majority of your constituents wanted to get done? it begs the question, who are we here to represent? >> today's senate vote comes more than four months after adam lanza shot to death 20 children, and 6 adults, including vicki societia. her sister joins me now. thank you for joining me again. you were there today at the senate to witness what happened. what is your reaction? >> i am disgusted and so disappointed in our senate. >> what is the matter with them, do you think? what would it take? if the deaths of 20 young children and your sister and five other adults at an elementary schoo
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here in washington, president obama observed the moment of silence as well behind closed doors away from the cameras, wolf. >> it was a powerful moment for all of us here in boston, lisa. i'm sure around the country as well. thank you. for the first time since the boston bombings, the city has control now over boylston street. they're not far way from where i am right now. the site of the attack. the fbi made the handover less than two hours ago and there was a ceremony to mark the moment. watch this. [ bagpipes play ]
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. >> president obama spoke to reporters shortly after dzhokhar tsarnaev was captured. he wanted to find out why the brothers carried out the bombing plot and whether anybody else may have been involved. >> one thing we do know is that whatever hateful agenda drove these men to such heinous acts will not and cannot prevail, whatever they thought they could achieve they failed, and they failed because the people of boston refused to be intimidated, and because americans we refused to be terrorized and they failed because we will not waiver from the character and the compassion and the values that define us as a country, nor will we break the bonds that hold us together as americans. that american spirit includes staying true to the unity and diversity that makes us strong, like no other nation in the world. >> the governor of massachusetts added his thanks, but as the celebration expanded one authority said, if you want to thank us, just go home. >> and they announced they had their man and it had been a terrifying week, but that fear is now gone. >> reporter: it was rea
. >> president obama spoke to reporters shortly after dzhokhar tsarnaev was captured. he wanted to find out why the brothers carried out the bombing plot and whether anybody else may have been involved. >> one thing we do know is that whatever hateful agenda drove these men to such heinous acts will not and cannot prevail, whatever they thought they could achieve they failed, and they failed because the people of boston refused to be intimidated, and because americans we refused to...
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again, president obama will be here at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. not only will he focus on lingzi but the other two victims, 29-year-old krystle campbell and 8-year-old martin richard. we do expect family members of some of the victims to be here this morning along with first responders and others who were there on monday when the bombs went off. also, a big crowd, members of the public will be attendance at this morning's interfaith service. >> thank you so much, pamela brown, outside the cathedral of the holy cross. the services begin at 11:00 a.m. eastern time and cnn will bring you coverage of that event. >>> meanwhile, the nhl and nba are paying tribute of the victims of the bombings here on monday. both the bruins and the celtics. during last night's game in toronto the celtics and raptors gathered at midcourt for a moment of silence. the bruins were the first sports team to play at home in boston since the attacks on monday. there was a moment of silence before their game as well against the sabres. and in a stirring moment, rancor put down
again, president obama will be here at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. not only will he focus on lingzi but the other two victims, 29-year-old krystle campbell and 8-year-old martin richard. we do expect family members of some of the victims to be here this morning along with first responders and others who were there on monday when the bombs went off. also, a big crowd, members of the public will be attendance at this morning's interfaith service. >> thank you so much, pamela brown, outside the...
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but i think it really highlights how important it is for president obama to be exact. you'll remember following the attack in benghazi which killed obviously the u.s. ambassador there, he did say the word terror. it became a bit of a political football about how much did the white house really know? could they label it as such? and so i think that's why there is a difference between the president saying it, john, and his aides saying it. i think that's why he sort of took a step back and didn't go that far yesterday. >> all right. it was conspicuous in absence yesterday at the white house. at least as a group being clear, they do believe it is an act of terror. brianna keilar at the white house for us this morning, thank you so much. >> just ahead, so many people injured here yesterday. 144 injuries. some of them quite bad. we'll tell you how to treat traumas like the ones we see from yesterday's blast. stay with us. i have low testosterone. there, i said it. how did i know? well, i didn't really. see, i figured low testosterone would decrease my sex drive... but when
but i think it really highlights how important it is for president obama to be exact. you'll remember following the attack in benghazi which killed obviously the u.s. ambassador there, he did say the word terror. it became a bit of a political football about how much did the white house really know? could they label it as such? and so i think that's why there is a difference between the president saying it, john, and his aides saying it. i think that's why he sort of took a step back and didn't...
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plus the man accused of sending a ricin laced letter to president obama and other officials, there he is, he's been set free. where the investigation into those poison letters is now leading police. but again, they've let him go. he no is no longer a suspect. >> they do have somebody that they are that they think may be behind this so we'll learn more possibly on "starting point." thank you, christine. >>> and happening now, dangerous flooding turns deadly in the nation's midsection. swollen rivers are already to blame for four deaths in that area, and governor jay nixon declaring a state of emergency in missouri after flash flooding drenched many parts of the state. cnn's jim spellman is live in st. louis for us this morning. jim, paint the picture for us. it's pretty dire out there. >> take a look, this is st. louis. we're just below or just north of the famous gateway arch. this is sort of a boat terminal here. usually not under water. today under about five feet of water above flood stage. you can see how high this water has come up. similar circumstances here on the mississippi r
plus the man accused of sending a ricin laced letter to president obama and other officials, there he is, he's been set free. where the investigation into those poison letters is now leading police. but again, they've let him go. he no is no longer a suspect. >> they do have somebody that they are that they think may be behind this so we'll learn more possibly on "starting point." thank you, christine. >>> and happening now, dangerous flooding turns deadly in the...
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former director of the krais's counterterrorism center and stephen flynn has been anned a vief to barack obama and george w. bush. jessica stern served 0 president clinton's national security council staff and is now at the harvard school of public health and bret stevens won a pulitzer prize for thiz excellent columns in the "wall street journal." thank you all. >> when you watched the response to what happened in boston, what were your thoughts in terms of our ability to handle these kinds of attacks. >> it was impressive and it drove home a core realism about the nature of dealing with terrorism attack when they manifest themselves. it is the bystanders, neighbors, supported by local fire department, police, emergency management folks and there's little question that americans took solace in the competence and compassion and the selflessness of people's response and that's an important message when we deal with this threat that we can handle it and bounce back quickly. that's also something that happened. i teach at northeast university. just a mile from where the attacks went off in copley
former director of the krais's counterterrorism center and stephen flynn has been anned a vief to barack obama and george w. bush. jessica stern served 0 president clinton's national security council staff and is now at the harvard school of public health and bret stevens won a pulitzer prize for thiz excellent columns in the "wall street journal." thank you all. >> when you watched the response to what happened in boston, what were your thoughts in terms of our ability to...
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we're getting mixed messages from the obama administration as well. here's vice president joe biden characterized the bombing suspects today. >> two twisted, perverted, cowardly knockoff jihadies. >> not everyone in the administration seems to share this assessment. jim acosta is at the white house tonight. it was confusing today, some very mixed messages coming out. >> that's right. the white house has been saying all along that it's too early to draw any conclusions in this case. the white house press secretary said today we don't have all of the answers yet. but that's not exactly what you heard from the vice president there whether he said earlier today that these two suspects were knockoff jihadies suggesting that they were sort of amateurish and also from secretary of state john kerry who was in belgium was meeting with the belgian foreign minister and asked by reporters about this case and he seemed to suggest that the older suspect, tamerlan tsarnaev may have learned something when he traveled to southern russia last year. here's what secretar
we're getting mixed messages from the obama administration as well. here's vice president joe biden characterized the bombing suspects today. >> two twisted, perverted, cowardly knockoff jihadies. >> not everyone in the administration seems to share this assessment. jim acosta is at the white house tonight. it was confusing today, some very mixed messages coming out. >> that's right. the white house has been saying all along that it's too early to draw any conclusions in this...
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quote, president obama asked the rest of the country to pray for boston. but we need more than prayers. we need answers. we need peace of mind. and we'll never have that again on patriots day, ever, because somebody came out here on our patriots day and launched their own revolution. peace of mind. you say looking ahead, impossible? >> no, i don't think it is impossible. i didn't mean to imply that whoever did this had won in any way, fashion. i feel just the opposite. walking around town today, it reminds me, i was in northern ireland when 28 people and an unborn child were murdered by terrorists. i was on london the day after the bombings on 7/7 and what he saw in those places i saw today. people are defiant. they're mad, they're angry, they're sad. but they will not be beaten. if those guys, whoever did this, think they beat us, they don't know this town. >> they don't know bostonians. kevin cullen with "the boston globe," thank you. thank you for writing this piece. anderson? >> thank you, brooke. brooke joining us now with some new information in the
quote, president obama asked the rest of the country to pray for boston. but we need more than prayers. we need answers. we need peace of mind. and we'll never have that again on patriots day, ever, because somebody came out here on our patriots day and launched their own revolution. peace of mind. you say looking ahead, impossible? >> no, i don't think it is impossible. i didn't mean to imply that whoever did this had won in any way, fashion. i feel just the opposite. walking around town...
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. >> i respect president obama. i love my country and would never do anything to pose a threat to him or any other u.s. official. this past week has been a nightmare for myself and my family. my mother has suffered as well as my children. i would like to get back to normal. >> and now we wait to find out what the government will do next. all indications are
. >> i respect president obama. i love my country and would never do anything to pose a threat to him or any other u.s. official. this past week has been a nightmare for myself and my family. my mother has suffered as well as my children. i would like to get back to normal. >> and now we wait to find out what the government will do next. all indications are
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president obama and the first lady michelle obama will be here as well. we will have special coverage, anderson cooper and i will begin that coverage at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow morning. until then thanks very much for watching, our nonstop special coverage of the aftermath of the boston bombings continues now. >> out front next, we begin with breaking news, significant development in the investigation here in boston, according to sources, policeng for someone they saw on video as a possible suspect. plus what we're just learning about the devices used during the bombings and how authorities are using that information they were trying to piece together to locate the attacker. and the poison ricin sent to our lawmakers and this time to the president of the united states. let's go out front.
president obama and the first lady michelle obama will be here as well. we will have special coverage, anderson cooper and i will begin that coverage at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow morning. until then thanks very much for watching, our nonstop special coverage of the aftermath of the boston bombings continues now. >> out front next, we begin with breaking news, significant development in the investigation here in boston, according to sources, policeng for someone they saw on video as a possible...
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this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done before in american history to have some sort of hybrid combatant and criminal proceeding. we do know from jake tapper's reporting, there was an interrogation of tsavraev. and he did disclose his position that there was no broader conspiracy here. just him and his pressure. it seems like the justice department and the fbi have done the kind of interrogation that at least -- that lindsey graham seems to want to have been done, perhaps not as extensive as it might have been. but there was a premiranda interrogation and authorities can work with that, at least now going forward. >> i think that's a fair point. lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a
this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done before in american history to have some sort of hybrid combatant and criminal proceeding. we do know from jake tapper's reporting, there was an interrogation of tsavraev. and he did disclose his...
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we know that president obama was briefed overnight. getting the latest information on the investigation, the details of what the fbi could tell him about the boston marathon bombings. he'll be meeting later today with other senior officials. >> our white house correspondent brianna keilar is covering that angle for us. she joins us now from the white house. good morning, brianna. >> good morning to you, john and chris. yes, president obama was briefed overnight by his homeland security adviser, lisa monaco. she will brief him again this morning, along with attorney general holder, and fbi director robert mueller. we have learned that he's coming to boston tomorrow. he will speak during that interfaith memorial service at the cathedral of the holy cross in boston. what is, of course, going to be an emotional event, as he strikes that consoler in chief tone that we've seen him, unfortunately, do on so many occasions where we've seen tragedy. we sue a little bit of this yesterday. he was talking about people who ran the marathon, and even
we know that president obama was briefed overnight. getting the latest information on the investigation, the details of what the fbi could tell him about the boston marathon bombings. he'll be meeting later today with other senior officials. >> our white house correspondent brianna keilar is covering that angle for us. she joins us now from the white house. good morning, brianna. >> good morning to you, john and chris. yes, president obama was briefed overnight by his homeland...
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. >> president obama assuring texas residents their recovery also is a top priority. >> so much attention has been focused on the tragic events in boston understandably. we've also seen a tight-knit community in texas devastated by a terrible explosion, and i want them to know that they are not forgotten. our thoughts, our prayers are with the people of west texas, where so many good people lost their lives, some lost their homes, many are injured, many are still missing. >> we are so lucky right now to be joined by one of the brave texans who ran right into danger to help strangers, just after that explosion. chris kabachev is an eighth grade science teacher from west texas. he rescued those in a nursing home wednesday night. are your parents okay? >> yes, my parents are okay. >> where were you, there was a fire and then there was the explosion. where were you when the explosion happened? >> i was in my home in waco, and i got a text message from my dad saying there had been an explosion that had blown several windows out of the house. i got in my truck thinking i'd help board up the win
. >> president obama assuring texas residents their recovery also is a top priority. >> so much attention has been focused on the tragic events in boston understandably. we've also seen a tight-knit community in texas devastated by a terrible explosion, and i want them to know that they are not forgotten. our thoughts, our prayers are with the people of west texas, where so many good people lost their lives, some lost their homes, many are injured, many are still missing. >>...
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. >>> and tals the man accused of sending letters to president obama laced with ricin. the charges are dropped. what he is saying now and what law enforcement is saying now coming up. have hail damage to both their cars. ted ted is trying to get a hold of his insurance agent. maxwell is not. he's on geico.com setting up an appointment with an adjuster. ted is now on hold with his insurance company. maxwell is not and just confirmed a 5:30 time for tuesday. ted, is still waiting. yes! maxwell is out and about... with ted's now ex-girlfriend. wheeeee! whoo! later ted! online claims appointments. just a click away on geico.com. >>> well, welcome back. we've obviously been focusing a lot on boston, but our thoughts are also with the people of west, texas, where i was last week. last week an explosion at a fertilizer plant killed nine people. you're looking at exclusive new pictures for the area where firefighters were killed. you can see the area has been absolutely devastated. the explosion left a crater measuring 93 feet and 10 feet deep. 93 feet wide and 10 feet deep. be
. >>> and tals the man accused of sending letters to president obama laced with ricin. the charges are dropped. what he is saying now and what law enforcement is saying now coming up. have hail damage to both their cars. ted ted is trying to get a hold of his insurance agent. maxwell is not. he's on geico.com setting up an appointment with an adjuster. ted is now on hold with his insurance company. maxwell is not and just confirmed a 5:30 time for tuesday. ted, is still waiting. yes!...
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first, the suspicious letters sent to president obama and senator roger wicker of mississippi. lab results are due any moment to confirm whether or not they were contaminated with the deadly poison ricin. initial tests showed that they were. police believe they have the man who sent the letters in custody. they charged paul kevin curtis with threats against the president a short time ago. curtis was arrested at his home in mississippi yesterday. >>> 46 senators voted no to expanded background checks, so the push now for gun control, 125 days after the horrific killings at sandy hook is, for all practical purposes at this point, we're going to call it what it is, dead. the legislation co-sponsor democrat joe manchin of west virginia vented anger this morning towards the gun lobby and its supporters in the senate. >> i can't figure why in the hell you're afraid to do when the facts are right in front of you to do what you got to do. >> if you let me get in the debate with nra and these are people i know, these have been people i've been very friendly with over the years, i think
first, the suspicious letters sent to president obama and senator roger wicker of mississippi. lab results are due any moment to confirm whether or not they were contaminated with the deadly poison ricin. initial tests showed that they were. police believe they have the man who sent the letters in custody. they charged paul kevin curtis with threats against the president a short time ago. curtis was arrested at his home in mississippi yesterday. >>> 46 senators voted no to expanded...
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boston and we will have live pictures from the cathedral of the holy cross, which is where president obama and the first lady, we saw the governor, the mayor, huge venue for that interfaith service last thursday. we'll play that for you. and we will stop talking and pause to reflect. we promise to do that. i want to take you live to deb feyerick, who has been going over some of the details in the charges, reading through the criminal complaint. and, deb, talking about this earlier, the charges don't include that m.i.t. police officer shot and killed. >> correct. that's exactly right. you know, this criminal complaint really -- this is -- i've seen this happen before, this criminal complaint is roughly, let's see, this is ten pages long. when the final -- when the actual indictment comes out, chances are it will be many times larger than this. usually, you know, the indictments we get are anywhere between 40, 50, 60 pages, it all depends. this is what they have got so far. this is enough for them to hold this man in the hospital, as they continue to investigate. there is a lot of evidence o
boston and we will have live pictures from the cathedral of the holy cross, which is where president obama and the first lady, we saw the governor, the mayor, huge venue for that interfaith service last thursday. we'll play that for you. and we will stop talking and pause to reflect. we promise to do that. i want to take you live to deb feyerick, who has been going over some of the details in the charges, reading through the criminal complaint. and, deb, talking about this earlier, the charges...
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president obama will travel here to boston on thursday for a religious interface service, dedicated to the three people killed in the attack and the more than 180 people injured. we now know the name of another of the three people who died, her name krystle campbell, 29 years old. her mother spoke out a little while ago in tears, saying she and her family are heart broken. we also just learned that the third person who died was a boston university graduate student. investigators here in boston say their hunt for a terrorist -- for a suspect in these terror bombings is still preliminary, and this case, they say, is wide open. >> among items partially recovered are pieces of black nylon, which could be from a backpack, and what appeared to be fragments of bbs, and nails, possibly contained in a pressure cooker device. in addition, this morning, it was determined that both of the explosives were placed in a dark colored nylon bag or backpack. the bag would have been heavy because of the components believed to be in it. >> let's bring in our chief national correspondent john king working h
president obama will travel here to boston on thursday for a religious interface service, dedicated to the three people killed in the attack and the more than 180 people injured. we now know the name of another of the three people who died, her name krystle campbell, 29 years old. her mother spoke out a little while ago in tears, saying she and her family are heart broken. we also just learned that the third person who died was a boston university graduate student. investigators here in boston...
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president obama promising the nation we will get to the bottom of this. susan candiotti this morning on the first steps that are underway in this growing, very large investigation. good morning, susan. >> reporter: good morning, john. yes, there are a lot of active leads to follow up on, many, many witnesses to talk with. remember, they've got all kinds of surveillance video that they've collected from buildings right around where those explosions went off, that they will be closely examining for any clues, not to mention cell phone videos that they are surely collecting from all kinds of people who were taking videos, not only after the incident occurred but, of course, might have had photographs or videos before the explosions and the blasts went off. they'll be looking for any clues and suspicious activities before that. they're examining not only the exploded devices for more information but also the unexploded devices to try to learn more about this. this investigation is being led by the fbi working with the boston police department. of course, help
president obama promising the nation we will get to the bottom of this. susan candiotti this morning on the first steps that are underway in this growing, very large investigation. good morning, susan. >> reporter: good morning, john. yes, there are a lot of active leads to follow up on, many, many witnesses to talk with. remember, they've got all kinds of surveillance video that they've collected from buildings right around where those explosions went off, that they will be closely...
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. >>> the boston bombings put president obama in the most difficult position any president has to face, consoler in chief. we take a closer look. >> reporter: circumstances and geography change but we have been here before. new york, tucson, nasa to aurora, virginia tech to sandy hook, oklahoma city and now to boston. >> i'm here today on behalf of the american people with a simple message -- every one of us has been touched by this attack on your beloved city. every one of us stands with you. >> reporter: there is a randomness to the violence that punk tours the soul of this country and a rhythm to its aftermath. the frenzy of rescue, the hailing heroes, the candles and the flowers, the burst of patriotism and attention of a president. called to duty to speak for and to the american people. this is how the nation grieves. >> you showed us, boston, that in the face of evil, americans will lift up what's good. in the face of cruelty, we will choose compassion. in the face of those who would visit death upon innocence, we will choose to save and the comfort and the healing. >> at every l
. >>> the boston bombings put president obama in the most difficult position any president has to face, consoler in chief. we take a closer look. >> reporter: circumstances and geography change but we have been here before. new york, tucson, nasa to aurora, virginia tech to sandy hook, oklahoma city and now to boston. >> i'm here today on behalf of the american people with a simple message -- every one of us has been touched by this attack on your beloved city. every one of...
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now to washington where michelle obama is also talking about the tragedy here in boston and listen to her. >> i want to take a moment to say that our thoughts and prayers are with everyone in boston. my husband con tibs to monitor the situation, and he has directed the full resources of the federal government to assist state and local authorities as they investigate this horrific act. what happened on monday was a reminder that in times of crisis, here in america, we respond with courage and grit and selflessness. that is exactly what we saw from the people of boston and from all those who rushed to the aid, police officers, firefighters, first responders, and our men and women in uniform. that is the spirit of boston but it is also the spirit of this country. >> you know, the first lady is speaking something that is felt so deeply here. we have word today, more good news, a hundred of the 180 people injured here have been released from the hospital. that is a direct testament to the phenomenal efforts by volunteers and medical professionals on the scene and triage followup. that was
now to washington where michelle obama is also talking about the tragedy here in boston and listen to her. >> i want to take a moment to say that our thoughts and prayers are with everyone in boston. my husband con tibs to monitor the situation, and he has directed the full resources of the federal government to assist state and local authorities as they investigate this horrific act. what happened on monday was a reminder that in times of crisis, here in america, we respond with courage...
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. >> president obama even mentioned iffrig in this week's statements. we may be momentarily knocked off our feet, but we'll pick it ourselves up. >>> the latest on the huge explosion that leveled parts of one small town in texas. m alwayn to taste great. she was a picky eater. well now i'm her dietitian and last year, she wasn't eating so well. so i recommended boost complete nutritional drink to help her get the nutrition she was missing. and now she drinks it every day. well, it tastes great! [ male announcer ] boost has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones, and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. and our great taste is guaranteed or your money back. learn more at boost.com [ dietitian ] now, nothing keeps mom from doing what she loves... being my mom. [ dog barking ] ♪ [ female announcer ] life is full of little tests, but your basic paper towel can handle them. especially if that towel is bounty basic. the towel that's 50% stronger. in this lab demo even just one select-a-size sheet o
. >> president obama even mentioned iffrig in this week's statements. we may be momentarily knocked off our feet, but we'll pick it ourselves up. >>> the latest on the huge explosion that leveled parts of one small town in texas. m alwayn to taste great. she was a picky eater. well now i'm her dietitian and last year, she wasn't eating so well. so i recommended boost complete nutritional drink to help her get the nutrition she was missing. and now she drinks it every day. well,...
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. >> reporter: day four, president obama comes to boston and speaks at an interfaith service telling boston the country stands with it. >> the world will return to this great american city to run harder than ever and to cheer even louder for the 118th boston marathon. bet on it. >> reporter: later that day, a break in the case. the fbi releases photos and surveillance videos of these two men walking with backpacks. at 10:48 p.m., gunshots are heard on the campus of m.i.t.. reports come in that officer sean collier was killed. soon after, into men car jack a may mercedes leading police on a chase culminating with a shoot-out in watertown where one suspect revealed to be tamerlan tsarnaev was killed. dave 2:40 a.m., a robo call sent to watertown residents. >> advising all watertown residents to remain in their homes. >> reporter: 4:22 a.m., a suspect on the run. >> we believe this to be a terrorist. we believe this to be a man who has come here to kill people. we need to get him in custody. >> reporter: by 8:00 a.m. friday, all of boston and surrounding areas shut down assen aas unprec
. >> reporter: day four, president obama comes to boston and speaks at an interfaith service telling boston the country stands with it. >> the world will return to this great american city to run harder than ever and to cheer even louder for the 118th boston marathon. bet on it. >> reporter: later that day, a break in the case. the fbi releases photos and surveillance videos of these two men walking with backpacks. at 10:48 p.m., gunshots are heard on the campus of m.i.t.....
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. >> president obama also paid tribute observing the moment of silence at the white house. >>> friends, family a total strangers packed a boston university ball room to >>> on the massachusetts state house steps to the new york stock exchange, to the senate floor in washington, on ordinary streets, to the marathon route where instead of cheers and smiles of a runner crossing the finish line there, is silence. to the flowers and flags, the signs of "boston strong" to the spot where last week two bombs took three lives. to a place where the quiet says more than words can ever say. for one long minute, the country is silent and remembers and begins to heal. and when the moment is over, there is this. ♪ god bless america [ applause ] of thousands of dos in hidden fees on their 401(k)s?! seriously? seriously. you don't believe it? search it. "401(k) hidden fees." then go to e-trade and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement account. we have every type of retirement account. none of them charge annual fees and all of them offer low cost investments. why? because we're not y
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what is the white house telling us about this letter to president obama? i know it didn't actually arrive at the white house, but what do we know about the substance in this letter? >> jake, well, we know first of all that they are -- the fbi and the secret service are continuing to investigate and conducting further tests on this letter. they say that they had protocol set up for exactly this kind of incident and this is the exact standard incident that they, you know, protocol they set up after 9/11. the letter contained a message that was parallel to the same message that was in a letter sent to senator wicker. it said, quote, i am -- it said to see a wrong and not expose it is to become a silent partner to its continuance. i am k.c. and i approve this message which is allegedly a comment on health care and providing care in general and so it could provide something of a lead for investigators. they believe they tied it to memphis, tennessee, but nothing beyond that. they are looking for a third facility, the possibility there were traces of ricin at a
what is the white house telling us about this letter to president obama? i know it didn't actually arrive at the white house, but what do we know about the substance in this letter? >> jake, well, we know first of all that they are -- the fbi and the secret service are continuing to investigate and conducting further tests on this letter. they say that they had protocol set up for exactly this kind of incident and this is the exact standard incident that they, you know, protocol they set...
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the obama administration said 48 hours, but that's simply their interpretation. now, this hole miranda issue though i think we can overstate its importance. all miranda does is restrict whether those statements can be used against tsarnaev himself in a court case. they can still use all this other evidence that they have against him. so they may simply decide we're not going to use these statements at all. we're going to prove our case with other evidence. >> true, jeff. >> but then it doesn't matter. >> i'm curious about the voluntary statements. if he offers something up, can't that also be used as opposed to bringing it out in interrogation? >> yes, although it would be difficult to say that an intubated sedated person suddenly decided to write out answers to questions. i think it's quite clear he's being questioned here. the real issue is does the government want to use those answers in court or do they simply want to use it to continue their investigation, which they certainly have every right to do. >> but there's one other issue that relates -- >> go ahead
the obama administration said 48 hours, but that's simply their interpretation. now, this hole miranda issue though i think we can overstate its importance. all miranda does is restrict whether those statements can be used against tsarnaev himself in a court case. they can still use all this other evidence that they have against him. so they may simply decide we're not going to use these statements at all. we're going to prove our case with other evidence. >> true, jeff. >> but then...